Episode 67: 2020 Review with Thea & Safiya

Transcript

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Welcome to the Push Or Pivot podcast, a podcast that inspires you to trust yourself and the crossroads of life. I'm your host, Thea Charles. As a life coach, I know that when you put fear aside and trust yourself, you'll know when to push through adversity, and when to stop, reassess, and pivot.

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I believe magic happens whenever a push or pivot story is shared. And that magic is exactly what you'll find here.

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This episode is a little different. It's a conversation with my friend Safiya Robinson. You may remember her from way back on episode six, when she talked about writing her first book, we talk to each other a lot. And often this chat was about reflecting on the past year.

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Hey, Sophia, welcome back to the pusher pivot. Thanks so much for having me back via so glad to be here. I know, I know, I'm excited.

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So this is going to be a little bit different than the last time you were here. Instead of it being interview style, let me just have a conversation. Just kind of like a regular conversations that we have all the time, all the time, all the time. So Sofia is my friend from Barbados. And even though we might be a couple 1000 million miles away, we talk all the time, all the time, all the time, all the time. And the other day, we were talking about how much the world has changed in 2020. And how collectively as like, the human race had to pivot. And that means, right, yes.

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I mean,

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it's kind of an abrupt change, right? So back in March, everyone i'm sure can remember back in March, when all of a sudden everything went to a screeching halt.

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And what's funny is that, it seems like it was 10 years ago, even though it was like, only 10 months. Like, I know, it was so long. It felt like the longest year ever. I guess it's kind of kind of like, we didn't have like something to look forward to. You know, like, normally it's like, Okay, well, I'm going back to work on Monday, or the kids have vacation. Like there's always something to go towards. And this was just, we home. Yeah. And the other thing, I think, is the lack of the usual, like markers that you have. Because yes, you had you know, like the kids were at school, but like, you didn't have that everyday rhythm of like, you get up, you leave home. It's Friday, you're home you live, have you run errands on the weekend, like kind of lost that those milestones that normally tell you like days are passing and weeks and months, and, oh, it's April, now they're on vacation, like he didn't really have those sets or have milestones. And so I think that just somebody described it like Groundhog Day. Yes. living the same day over and over again. So it, it did definitely feel that way. I'm sure for a lot of people.

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Yeah, so I think it was a really abrupt. Yes. Now we're in a situation where we kind of have to pivot.

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Yeah. And what seems kind of like, the cool part about it is it kind of stripped away all that extra noise of that everyday rat race that people go through. And kind of, at least for me, anyway, gave me time to think about what's really important. And what it is that I want as part of my day, which I first started off with, like a lot of lying around doing nothing and then realizing they don't matter. Yeah, just like TV, Netflix, like Tiger King. You know, like, all the things that distract you have. I'm not doing what I used to do. But I'm going forward. I feel like

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I figured out that I really like hanging out with the kids. We have a lot of fun together. I still do not like going through through old clothes in my closet. I thought that would be done. It's

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not done. Yeah, like doing that.

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Yeah, it was something that I was thinking a lot about. Because as you would have mentioned them here in Barbados, and we have a lot of people I know, especially in North America and the UK, they kind of switch they're working online, they're working from home. But obviously it depends on the type of work you do. Whether that's even

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possibility or an option. And so I know that for some people, it would have been quite difficult because they were either out of work like here in Barbados, we rely a lot on tourism. And so without people traveling, there are a lot of people who are out of work entirely. Right. And so for some of them, you know, there is a one lady in particular who she's out of, she was out of work, I mean, and she

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just started her own business, right, because she had to pivot quickly from, it wasn't even working from home, it was like you, you don't have a job now. And we have a lot of people here that face that situation, I might, my contract was ended at work as well. So I was actually home for a while until I found a new job. So I think for some people, it was even though for everybody the pivot was enforced, I think people

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had different things to deal with. Some people it might have been trying to work, like my best friend who's in,

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in New Jersey is like, you know, working from home with your, you know, like, six and seven year old, trying to

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homeschool kids. And you know how that was because you probably had a similar that your kids are a bit older than Earth, but you have a similar situation. My sister, same thing working from home while my nephew was trying to

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start a revolution. That's what it sounded like. So, yeah, I think every people had all kinds of different sort of

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little things to deal with. And it was making me think when I was thinking about this topic, it was making me think of what helps you handle pivoting, when it feels like it's forced upon you, as opposed to, you know, coming to the crossroad, which is all that's, you know, probably a more ideal situation where you feel like you're making a choice. Now, it's like, you're thrown into the situation where that choice is taken away from you, and how do you find the resilience to kind of go off in another direction when you're also dealing with this other stuff that's going on? And the fact that you've been forced into the situation? Yeah, that's a really good point. And, I mean, that also happened here, obviously, you know, people of course, it happened everywhere, for sure didn't have jobs anymore. gyms, that closed. restaurant, I didn't know restaurants, when the in the restaurant industry really struggled with that as well. Basically, anything where you have to go to work and be social,

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interact with other people came to a screeching halt. And, yeah, I'm sure.

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You know, I can think of like people that I've coached, who have decided to turn that last minute and figure out what am I going to do next that I, that I can take care of myself? And that it's like, kind of combing through a lot of fear? Because you're no one, it's not like you came to this realization, I don't want to work at the gym anymore. The gyms guys. It's like, no gym at all. So like, will there ever be a gym again, because I think that is, I think is a bit scary. I was saying to my sister, like, I know people that there's someone I knew who had changed jobs, probably like a year before, first shut down

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to a job that was service base. And for years and years, she was in a job that she actually really hated.

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Probably the type of job that you could work from home, and it was more of a finance type of job. And she just was like, Yes, I got I found a job and like, within a year, it was gone. And it was like, Okay, now what? Because you don't know, is it ever gonna come back? You know, should I should I try and go back to the original career? You know, like, should I find something in the interim? Is there a possibility that in a year's time, you know, regardless of whether there is a vaccine or not, like, I think a lot of industries are going to change a lot. And so you don't know if that industry is ever coming back? Or if it does, if it's coming back in the way that it was there before.

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And a lot of people talk about, oh, when things go back to normal, but I feel like our normal has changed. I don't Yeah, life is going to look exactly the way did it before. It's not gonna look like that anymore. You know, beyond if industries come back, some businesses aren't going to come back. That's just not going to happen. No.

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And some are going to come back completely different because people, whether you believe it or not a lot of people's way of life have adjusted, right? They're going to be a lot of people who were in the gym before who are not in the gym anymore. Because the you know, after working from home for a year, there are companies like yeah, we're not paying rent an office rent so you don't have to come into work anymore. So now you're not passing the gym and you're not you know, like

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I think a lot of the dynamics would have changed. And it's, it's almost impossible to know what it's going to look like in another years time. So it's like, I guess it's like, how do you not just decide what to do next? But like, How do you stay?

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I don't want to say stay positive, because you're not gonna be positive all the time. But how do you not incompletely give up hope. While you're sort of trying to figure out this uncertainty of like, what do I do next, given that what I was doing may never come back, or it may not come back in the way that I expected it to. Yeah, I guess that kind of makes me think of the fact that change is always a part of forward momentum. And we were just halted, like, jolted into a change. But I guess in my perspective, is looking at it, as this change is going to come eventually. It's just, it's coming a lot faster than we had, would have ever anticipated. And we're all doing it collectively at the same time. And to kind of think of it as you know, this is kind of like growing pains. I mean, if we just look here, the US we've done, we have social changes, he has been looking at the government differently. We are you know, healthcare is in your face, whether like, is healthcare, something that everyone should have? Or like, you know, it's just bringing up so many more conversations, and is also putting a light that the world is a lot smaller than what some people think, Oh, you know, like, what happens in one part of the world affects all of the world. And, and we're seeing that through health and not only health, but now we have zoom, everyone has zoom. Now, the world is a little bit smaller. I mean, I spent most of quarantine during this podcast, talking to people from all over the world. And that's not necessarily something that would have been possible or not even saying it wouldn't be possible, but not something that would have been might have come common or have come so easily.

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Across all your I saw that, yeah, a couple years ago. So you know, it's just another way of all of us kind of expanding our thoughts.

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And I know, that's really hard to think of when you're in the moment, especially if it's not, things aren't going the way you want, or you haven't found that new career, or you're still hoping that the old one will be the same. It can be hard to move forward. But I think just thinking of this as a forward momentum is,

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yeah, it is a positive. And things always hurt before, you know, before Yeah, it's true. I was thinking, you know, I know, obviously, everybody's situation is different. But I was just thinking to myself, like, you talk to a lot of people who pivot, you know, that's your, your podcast. And like, Can you think of anything that, you know, wisdom that they might have shared, that you think would be, you know, useful to reiterate, at this time, because I can think of something that I heard from someone just yesterday that I feel like was really helpful for me.

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Alright, so the first thing that comes to mind, is that the thing that you do like your zone of genius, the job that you choose, doesn't have to be hard. And I feel like, at least in this culture that I'm in

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saying that I have to go to work. The commute was awful. Like all these things. It's like nearly a badge of, of like, it's like an award, you know? Yeah. And being happy. And still being able to provide for yourself doesn't necessarily need to include all those things that you hate.

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Yes, definitely. Yeah, that's a good one. I will share the thing I heard yesterday, and this is from a lady called Nicole Antoinette. She's go find her on the internet. She's a great person. And she talked about trying to think how she put it she said,

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like,

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how can you leverage this season is what she was saying. So like, the fact of the matter is, like, you know, we are here now for me, you the example that I give is like I work part time now. I've never worked part time in my life. Right? When I started working, I was working six days a week. The least I'd ever worked was five days a week.

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Right? And

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all of a sudden, I have no job. And then when I found something, it was like a couple of days in one place and one day somewhere else. And I'm working part time and I've never worked part time before. And it was kind of like, Oh, this is not good. Because I'm not, you know, like, I'm in the kind of place where I only get paid if I work. So it was a big pay cut for me.

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How do I handle that?

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For me, I sort of was like, you know, if there was one thing I learned when we first went into lockdown was how limited my brain capacity was, like, there were so many things I was trying to do on the side of work, like, you know, little side hustler, or in this thing or do that thing. And I thought that there were things that I thought that were absolutely beyond me, like I was not capable of figuring them out. And what I realized was, it wasn't that I wasn't capable of figuring them out, I just did not have the headspace to learn them. And so when we went into lockdown, and it wasn't working at all, all of a sudden, I was like, Oh, my gosh, at this point, it feels to like, have a clear add, like to actually be able to learn stuff, or be able to do you know, stuff that I thought I wasn't even capable of doing. All of a sudden, I could actually do it. And so that just kind of taught me like, when my plays too full.

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It's very hard for me to do certain things. And so now that I have this bit of space, how best you know, like, how can I leverage the season? How can I use the time that I have? That I'm not working in a way that actually feels like, Okay, I'm glad I use that time when I had it, because they'll probably come a time again, when I'm back to working full time, and I may not have the same. So how can I leverage and I like that. So you know, she gave an example about her living situation has changed. And it's not ideal, but like, you know, she has some things that she wouldn't normally have access to. Maybe she can make more use of that, like what, you know, think about what's the possible benefits of this time right now that you can take advantage of while it's here, the things that how she put it is the things that you would miss when things quote unquote, go back to normal? And how can you just make the most of those things? So I like that. Yeah, I like that, too. I like that. And yeah, that's true. I mean, we don't expect kids to be working full time jobs and learning new things. Nope. They go to school and school alone, right? Yeah.

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Yeah. And I can even see that with my with my boys. I know that some people are having a hard time working from home, as for school and the hybrid, and it's hard, not easy for everyone. But I have to say they're flourishing, they're doing really, really well. And some of that is learning independence. And I think another part is not having some of the extra pressures that they might have had before, like, some kids have extra pressure in school.

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You know, my boys are the only minorities in their school. So you know, I'm sure there's like, extra pressure that they don't have in their home. And they are just comfortable. They can get up when they need to come and get a hug when they want and go back to school and every report from teachers are like, they were they were good students before. But they're like, this is incredible. This is leaps and bounds are doing so well. I don't ever say anything to them. They're on time they do this. And they're like, What are you guys doing at home?

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Like, I'm not doing anything? Actually. I'm in the other room with the door shut. And sometimes they'll come by and say, interviewing my podcast guy. Yes. Yeah, interviewing podcast guests, like right now. And I might if I see them doing something, what are you doing? Oh, I'm on a five minute break. And then I go to here and then later, I'm going to use the toaster oven and make lunch for me my brother? Yeah, like, it's just like, wow, it's amazing. It's really amazing. You know, he's not gonna be contacting you after this asking you how did you do that? I know. I don't know. I don't know. But you know, I do. I also think it's just the extra space. They had the space to do this, where before it was, we go, go go, we come home we pick up. So I would be cooking with chicken nuggets. You know, like,

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they know that mom and dad are busy. They asked if they have permission to touch something that's not not the oven. And they do it on their own. And after a while, I don't have to say anything anymore. And I'm like, oh, but did you remember your brother? Did? They've just grown up? Very nice. And one thing that reminded me of, you know, I was talking to my sister about this the other days how, you know, different, like for some children and I find especially boys but girls as well. Sitting down in a classroom for hours and hours a day isn't actually ideal. You know, they struggle with that. And so,

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having a bit of the freedom to like stand up or stretch or like you say come and get a hug or whatever like that might be they might actually find that helps them learn better.

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Do you know like develop more? So I think I think a part of it is just knowing your kids and knowing, you know, what would help them and hoping that you can provide that in between whatever you're doing from home, if it is that you are working from home, isn't your job hunting, whatever you're doing, you know, that you are able to kind of balance those things. And I know everyday wouldn't be easy, but but it's working out well for you guys as well.

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Yeah, even for adults, you know, working from home, it's a lot different than working at the job. And that's something when I stopped working at the hospital that I had to realize, cuz I came home and I was like, we just got to do work. Because I need to be on myself because I don't have a boss. And then I remembered, you know, when I worked, I'd get up and go get water or have to walk further to go use the restroom. And these are all things that you don't have to do at home, you know, like everything so close.

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To just realize that you can modify your own day and you can get up and walk around, you can do stuff, just like how the kids have realized that I don't have to sit at the desk all day, I can get up during breaks, unlike what you can do at school. Yeah. Yeah. And that's one that's the other thing I realized, that helped me while I was home, you know, and even though I'm part time is like being intentional, in the sense that, you know, I have, again, I have a friend who went from working in the office, to working at home and she had, she partially made that transition before the lockdown. She was working from home, like half the weekend working in the office half the week. And one thing she said was like, you know, it wasn't so much the commute, it was like she was walking a good mile, mile and a half every day just to get from the office, the train station.

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And, you know, she was like,

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how do I make sure that I still get in some exercise, because now I'm home, it's very easy to be sitting at home. I know a lot of people have said to me that when they work from home, they find that they actually work, they can have a tendency to work more, or they take

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or they don't you know, like you're sitting at your desk, you're eating lunch, you don't have that structure. And you may find yourself just sitting glued in front of the computer solidly in the way that you might not do when you're in the office. And so how do you get intentional about stretching about going for a walk about making sure you know, you actually get up from the screen and, you know, go outside and take a break and that type of thing. And so for me, it was just really being intentional about trying to go for a walk every day or that type of thing sitting out on the patio moving that type of thing, team.

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That that's one thing that helped me was just really reminding myself to be intentional, because I'm on my feet at work. Most of the day, I realize, Oh, I'm sitting here now most of the day. This is crazy. This is not useless. I have to make sure I get up and move around. Yeah, yeah, that's something that I had to be really intentional about too. And it took me nearly most of the quarantine time to realize because, you know, we were all in different rooms because we're all working in the same house and you can't interrupt people or you don't want to be the one dancing behind someone's zoom.

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So we found ourselves like I did your

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online school. I'm always behind me. I like that Samson. Oh man, the little one would not like it. He doesn't want want my arm to be seen if I'm trying to help him.

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He's like I'm on camera.

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or independent. So yeah, it took a while and then I don't remember what we did. But we were both like, I don't think we're really moving anymore. I think I'm fine.

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Hit sedentary time, it's time to make a decision that I don't want to be this anymore. And I used to walk around I'll all over the place. We used to walk to school. We don't do that, you know? And yeah, so that kind of helps bring in some new habits. So now I exercise at home every day, which is not something I ever did before, and actually found something that I enjoy. Yeah. So.

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So things will be different when stuff opens back up, because I don't see myself wanting to not do that here.

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No, and you're enjoying it. And I think there will always be like, there's one thing I feel like about school. My younger sister is a teacher. She's taught both primary and secondary. I guess you may not

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like, elementary, high school.

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Yes, okay. And

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my oldest sister taught tertiary University. And I feel like from now on going forward, there's going to be some online element. I don't think we're ever like, we may or you may not, but I can't see us going back to face to face no devices require and like, I think there's always going to be some element of an online aspect there. At least here anyway. And so, you know, some of these new habits are going to come in Really? Yes. Oh, on the days that you're not leaving home, and we're not going to have snow days anymore. As long as there's power in town. There will be school. We actually had that. Yeah, I think, yeah, we had that a couple weeks ago, when we had a snow storm. Kids still had school. And I remember telling the kids that back in March, when we'd started doing things online. I was like, You know what, I'm just gonna put it out here. But I don't think we're ever gonna have snow days anymore. And they're like, what, like, but that means we get somewhere that much faster, you know, we've we're gonna stay on our, on our schedules, and not have to make up days when it's beautiful out.

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And it's the same here like we, you know, if we ever had, we never, I don't know what I do, if I heard you.

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I don't know what I would do where there was gonna be a snow day. But sometimes there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of bad weather, rain and stuff, as long as the power is still on.

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Then I don't think they're gonna be we're gonna have those off days either. So,

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yeah, it's gonna be, it's always gonna be a little bit different.

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But, you know, for the kids, I think that a lot of them like going into college and

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education later, I think they're going to be better prepared than some of us were there, you know how to work more independently, which we didn't necessarily have and the technology piece, the kids are going to be alright.

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Yeah, let's face it. When I when I tried to explain to my god children that, you know, like, there was no Google and there was no social media. When I was at school, when I was even at university and they're like, I don't understand.

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telling you, these things are new, really new. So I think they're always gonna have that technology piece down. Pat, do you remember, I don't know if you remember. But I always remember being at university because I studied in England. And like having those little phone cards.

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Find

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my MCI phone card. That was the first thing my mom gave me. She's like, in case you need to call home use MCI card because the collect call is really expensive at school.

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Yeah, do you have this card?

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digits and then like, you have seven minutes, like

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I'm alive, send money.

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Oh, my goodness. It's so funny to think how I guess that's what I always think like when I think about change, it's so funny how so many of us can feel resistance to change. But I think to myself, like I grabbed I qualified over 20 years ago, and how different the world is now than it was. Then, you know, like there was no there was no this there was no zoom. There was no time there was no instant connection, writing letters and then waiting then

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they get delivered that they receive.

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Just so different. I can remember when phones first started getting cameras,

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per se saying to my friend, I don't even care about the camera. I just want it to make a phone call because that's the point I'm going to talk on it and now I don't talk on the phone.

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Now my phone is my camera, and I text people. And so that's a change. That's a big change has happened. But, you know, once you get through the change, it's not like you, you don't necessarily feel like, Oh man, I wish I had that crappy camera phone from the past. No one says that. No one's gonna move forward. You do? Do you remember when like, the trend was to have like the tiniest phone ever? And like, it's gonna fit in the palm of your hand. And now it's like, wow, like, I don't want a big phone anymore. Really?

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Yeah, we're like, what's gonna happen? How are you going to open the little teeny,

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little flip phone?

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It's just

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so funny. So yeah. What else do you think would be useful from your conversations?

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The one thing that remains true through all conversations is that people started to trust themselves and their intuition.

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Remember, you said that I think every single person I can't think of a single person that hasn't said, and then I decided to trust myself. So even during all of this, I think that deep down, we probably all know what it is that we need, what it is that we're taking with us through 2021. And,

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and just trusting ourselves that at the end of the day, we're going to do what's right for for us?

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Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. I like that one. Yeah. Everyone's journey is different. So some people may blossom faster than others. But

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well, we'll get there. Yeah. Sure. I definitely agree with that.

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I just feel like, for me, sometimes it's just reminding myself like, it's not too late. It's not too late to start. Again, it's not too late, you know, anything, I can think of a couple of friends whose children were supposed to start at university this year, and they had to defer it, and it's a big deal. And

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it'll be fine. Like, a, you know, deferring something for a year. I don't think that especially

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not yours.

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like everybody's gonna understand, everyone's gonna understand, you know,

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you know, if things didn't go according to how you thought they would this year, it's not, it's still not too late to do that thing, whatever that thing is, whether it's going off to university, and you, you know, you're a year or two after you when you thought you would go, that's fine. Or whether it's, you know, making a pivot. And if you thought you were going to make the pivot in 2020. And it didn't happen. It won't be too late in 2021. So that's probably the thing that I think would be the most helpful, like it's not Yeah. And I guess it could also, in that same vein, it's like a collective giving of grace. Because this Yes, derailments in your plans happen all the time. 2020 or not, things that you thought were going to happen in a certain timeframe may not happen in that timeframe. And being flexible in your plans and realizing that you make shifts and pivots and turns and pushing. It is all part of life. And I think the biggest difference is that right now, a lot of us have to do it together. And that's not normally how it is. Yes.

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No, exactly. And so you can just give yourself some grace. I do like that, for sure. So what are you working on now? Hmm.

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What am I working on now. So I wrote a novel in November, something I do for this thing called NaNoWriMo, which if you are a person who thinks I could write a novel in a month, go to their website. It's a it's a fun, fun endeavor. I did it I did one a couple of years ago, and this is like a sequel. And so I've just printed that out. And I'm going to be doing some editing. And at some point, probably in the next month or two again, I thought it would be February like it was last year and I just sent out a chapter every day via email, it's not going to be February because it won't be finished by then. But sometime in the next couple of months, I am probably going to do exactly the same thing. And I'm going to send it out via email. And it is about

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lessons in love what happens after happily ever after. Because, you know, most of these love stories like the first one it went all the way up to like you know, they were in love like a good love story. And now it's like the so now what like what happens after happily ever after when you really have to get to know person. So that's what it's about some kind of editing that which

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or two

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And yeah, I wrote a book for dentists about self care while being for dentist. So I'm sort of softly launching that

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book.

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That's a real thing. It's actually called dentists, and is available at well being for dentist. Very, very easy. But I'm just kind of like gently launching it throughout the year, I recorded the audio book for it last year. And it's just available as an E book on audiobook with a little guide, exercise guide for different stretches and stuff. So in case anybody out there is listening to this and wondering why robot presenters, I am a dentist. So that's why. So if you know a dentist and you want to, you know, point them in that direction, do it. They'd love it then to have a lot of hard work to do even during roll pandemic. So I'm kind of softly launching that throughout the year.

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And I am doing cross. I didn't know that. Yeah, I'm doing cross stitch. Yeah. So always loved crafts. I love crochet knitting cross stitch, you name it sewing. And so I thought I would just do some cross stitch bookmarks for some friends. And, yeah, I mean, not after stop saying last thing I would say is I'm starting a nonfiction book club at some point in the next couple of weeks as well. And the first book is called Cassandra speaks, when women are the storytellers, the human

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spine is a bit lesser, it's a great book. And that's going to be our first book on the book. Club. Now you can work you can join the book club, for sure. And I'm working part time now. So I actually have the time to do these things, which is I am leveraging.

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So

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at the moment,

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I'm still coaching. Aside from aside from podcast,

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I've been coaching a lot of coaches, who are, you know, kind of finding their way finding their niche or not me, and, you know, working through goals and helping them to be the best that you can be. And then also other women who are going through transitions, which is all of us right now, but really, any confidence in themselves, and my superpower is seeing a big picture, and narrowing it down to easy steps that really is my superpower.

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Yeah, I feel like our next episode should be about how coaching and other support can help you to

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get out there, I think we're gonna

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are gonna have to do another conversation on that one, because I definitely that is one thing I didn't mention, even in terms of this global, you know, collective sort of the pivot. But if there's one thing, I think that

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you know, it was always something that was important to me, but it became even more abundantly clear to me is like the power of support the power of, you know, even if it's from afar, even if it's your friend, zoom, call you every now and again, like the power of having, you know, somebody working towards a goal. If you're working towards a goal, somebody to kind of see you and understand what you're going through if they've gone through something similar, like the power of just yeah, and even elected to be able to hold up a mirror so you can see yourself. So oftentimes people can't see or hear the awesome things that they're saying.

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You don't see it until someone else points it out to you. Yeah, definitely. So

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I'm gonna put a request in for that to the next conversation. Hopefully, we

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will do a little sooner.

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On Sophia, this was awesome.

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What did you take away from 2020?

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Where did you push? How did you pivot? What new awareness Are you taking with you into 2021?

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